My Webroot firewall and Windows 10
My webrood firewall is blocked and won't run on Windows 10. Is there a fix for that?
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The firewall portion of WSA does not run under Windows 8, 8.1 or Windows 10. This is because Microsoft has built those OS's to not allow 3rd party firewalls to actually do anything, the built in Windows Firewall handles all of it. There is no need to enable the WSA Firewall on those operating systems, nor can it be done.
Thanks for the concise explanation of this topic. As a user of Win 7, I wasn't aware of this matter until it was raised in another thread but there is one point that I would like clarifying. The existinig Webroot User Guide states:
"The SecureAnywhere firewall monitors data traffic traveling out of your computer ports. It looks for untrusted processes that try to connect to the Internet and steal your personal information. It works with the Windows firewall, which monitors data traffic coming into your computer. With both the SecureAnywhere and Windows firewall turned on, your data has complete inbound and outbound protection."
What I would like to know is how does Win 10 monitor outgoing traffic? Since most programs require internet access I'm sure that it doesn't alert the user every time this happens (in the same way that WSA doesn't) but I would like the WR take on whether they consider that outgoing connections are monitored as effectively under Win 8/10 as they are under Win 7.
From the past posts since Windows 8 came out, as far as I know the Windows firewall does indeed work sufficiently, but perhaps ? will drop in and help me out here. He is FAR more familiar with this area than I am 🙂
However I would appreciate
Starting with Windows 8, Microsoft Firewall also monitors outbound connections as well. The OS is designed so that only Microsoft firewall is actually doing any of the work. There have been othe 3rd party firewall programs that appear to work with Windows 8, but they do not actually control a Firewall: they are merely a different interface that connects to and uses the Windows Firewall. Webroot made the choice that there is no need to needlessly bloat WSA with an interface to use in WIndows 8 and up as the goal here is to keep the software as not only the best AV around, but also the smallest and fastest.
I hadn't appreciated that Win 8 started monitoring outgoing connections as well as incoming, so it seems reasonable that WR needs not get involved. Having said that, my understanding is that Win 8/10 allow all outgoing connections by default but presumably block anything considered malicious?
A quick search has unearthed Windows Firewall Notifier which is presumably one of the TP programs that can be installed to easily see what is being allowed and to block traffic if desired.
I do not understand this 'Windows Firewall under Windows 7 does not monitor outbound connections'; either I am hallucinating or you are missing something as when I run 'Windows Firewall with Advanced Security' under Windows 7 I see this:
Am I misunderstanding something here?
Did I get it backwards? Under Windows 7 as I recall, Windows Firewall handles communication in one direction, WSA in the other. Is it the opposite of what I stated?
Windows Firewall Notifier is more than just a TP program. I have investigated these including WFN and would be happy to share with you outside the Community as it is contrary to Community Guidelines to discuss other security products...but could provide info via PMs if that would be of use to you.
I think not. Windows Firewall, as far as I know works both ways it is just that Webroot believe that it works better on the inbound side than the outbound side so they have chosen to leave it dealing with the inbound and they have concentrated on the outbound side of things. The Windows Firewall outbound is still active and can block is the Webroot Firewall component of WSA misses something (unlikely I know)...they just play very well together.
But perhaps Daniel will, as you suggested earlier, straighten us all out on this eventually.
No worries...I occassionally have brain fade myself (especially with my advancing years...:D).
As I said to Nemo...I have investigatged the area due to wanting further granular and easier to digest control of the Windows Firewall and so have explored a number of options to achieve that (and have settled on a very good one that in fact provides all the visibility I need when running Windows 8/8.1 or 10).
The SecureAnywhere firewall monitors data traffic traveling out of your computer ports. It looks for untrusted processes that try to connect to the Internet and steal your personal information. It works with the Windows firewall, which monitors data traffic coming into your computer. With both the SecureAnywhere and Windows firewall turned on, your data has complete inbound and outbound protection. http://www.webroot.com/En_US/SecureAnywhere/PC/WSA_PC_Help.htm#C4_Firewall/CH4a_ManagingFirewall.htm
So Webroot monitors outbound traffic and Windows Firewall monitors inbound traffic. Am I getting this? At least that is how Windows Firewall came configured. I feel like I openned a can of worms with this question! :@
It's also discussed under "Firewall does not show the options........
Both Windows Firewall and WSA's smart Firewall monitors outbound traffic and if you happen to have unknown malware WSA's firewall will block it from calling out to it's command center! Also Window Firewall protects your inbound traffic and it's very good on Win 8 & Win 10 so no need to duplicate the Windows Firewall API's as said by JoeJ here: https://community.webroot.com/t5/Ideas-Exchange/Outbound-connections-fw-control-in-Win-8-Win-8-1/idi-p/60003
PrevxHelp( JoeJ, VP of Development ) wrote:
The firewall in Windows 8 is much easier to work with than previous platforms because of the built in OS controls. Every vendor needs to use the same APIs now (the older methods are deprecated), but that's exactly why we aren't doing it currently - no matter what vendor wraps the APIs, it will be exactly the same underlying calls which are built into the OS, and you can use the OS UI to do the same job if you want to customize it.
The reason why we have the functionality on Windows 7 and not Windows 8 is because Microsoft doesn't expose the same normalized interfaces on Windows 7 (or require vendors to use the new APIs).
And from Webroot's online helpfile: http://www.webroot.com/En_US/SecureAnywhere/PC/WSA_PC_Help.htm#C4_Firewall/CH4a_ManagingFirewall.htm
Managing the firewallThe SecureAnywhere firewall monitors data traffic traveling out of your computer ports. It looks for untrusted processes that try to connect to the Internet and steal your personal information. It works with the Windows firewall, which monitors data traffic coming into your computer. With both the SecureAnywhere and Windows firewall turned on, your data has complete inbound and outbound protection.
You should not turn off either the Windows firewall or the SecureAnywhere firewall. If they are disabled, your system is open to many types of threats whenever you connect to the Internet or to a network. These firewalls can block malware, hacking attempts, and other online threats before they can cause damage to your system or compromise your security.
The SecureAnywhere firewall is preconfigured to filter traffic on your computer. It works in the background without disrupting your normal activities. If the firewall detects any unrecognized traffic, it opens an alert where you can block the traffic or allow it to proceed.
You are correct about WF but there are so many rules and many I do not recognize, how do I know which are safe? Did these rules come out of the box along with popups asking me if ok?
Many thanks for your help.