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I have just been made aware by TripleHelix that the Webroot Gamer Version consists of the AV plus the System Optimizer and nothing else: the perfect combination imho to recommend to my friends, both gamers and non-gamers (I won't go into the details of why).
 
However, I have a question. It has been pointed out, for example in a couple of the end-posts in this thread, that optimisation is neither necessary  nor desirable (because it shortens SSD disk life) if your computer uses an SSD disk (mine don't currently). My question is: whilst I've never felt the need to do privacy cleanups on my own computers and so the issue doesn't arise for me, for my friends are there any System Optimizer options relating to privacy, such as erasing cookies, erasing internet history* that would mean System Optimizer might still be a useful option even on a computer with SSD disk?
 
Thanks for any comments or responses to this question.
 
*How does one do this with Firefox or Chrome? Would that be the FF and Chrome "Cached Files" options in the Advanced SettingsSystem Optimizer options?
 
EDIT: The correct answer was given by TripleHelix in the very next post (below).  However, confusion arose in my mind due to apparent conflicting advice that led to protracted exchanges and which was finally resolved here. Out of all this came some very helpful advice, mainly from TripleHelix, about the nature of and the proper maintenance of SSDs.
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Best answer by RetiredTripleHelix 1 April 2016, 14:05

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True you don't understand but I have been dealing with SSD's for 5 years so I have experience in this field and wouldn't want to damage my SSD's with the lack of knowledge and I do understand SSD's.
 


 

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Really nice read!
 
All I know about SSds is that if they are faster than hard drives and that's... about... it. Haha
 
will definitely bookmark and read again.
 
Thanks! :D
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True you don't Defrag SSD's but Windows uses TRIM to clear old data so that new data can be used and System Optimizer does nothing to affect SSD's as I have 5 in my Laptop and use System Optimizer as well CCleaner to remove the garbage flies that are not needed! And that Idea Exchange was closed for that reason! You never Defrag SSD's: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/298108-32-defragging-year-never but there are SSD's Tweaking tools such as Tweak SSD: http://www.totalidea.com/products/tweak-ssd/index.php which helps you turn on or off features that SSD's don't need and it also has manual TRIM Commands as well!
 
HTH,
 
Daniel
 

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http://media.webcollage.net/rwvfp/wc/cp/18846021/module/webrootus//_cp/products/1386022962575/tab-aa7326f1-75e4-4897-9c71-9c060b816e75/10eb6fcc-ba18-4d39-bbb5-c3f72f29d517.mp4.mp4full.mp4
 

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Thank you ? for these posts explaining SSD's and Optimizing. I am also new to this and I will take heed to your posts in explaining this to all of us. I have bookmarked for references.Great information....;)
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Excellent info ?. Bookmarked. 😉
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Sorry for the delay! Incredibly busy today!

There is not a whole lot that I can add to this thread, ?. I think you all have gone above and beyond in explaining just about everything there is with SSDs.
 
I guess I could clarify that instead of optimization perhaps defragmentation was a better choice of words. There is no need to do this on an SSD.
 
As long as you’re using Windows 7 or 8, your operating system is already sending all the TRIM commands your SSD needs. I'm not %100 sure about the functionality of this with Windows 10 because I personally have not used it, nor will I be using it any time soon.
 
As far as consolidating for free space. Most of the drives are already doing this with the firmware they have. 
 
I can't really comment on whether or not its bad to "defrag" the drive as I've heard and read both sides of the story and don't really have any input on it at this time.
 
Hope that helps!

As a side note, I am currently using http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/memory-storage/MZ-75E2T0B/AM? and have been quite pleased with it. Though I'm going to likely pick up the 850 in the next few months.
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Thanks James as Muddy7 said I tried my best in this thread and via PM's and I hope he can understand!
 
Cheers,
 
Daniel 😉
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Ye sir ree Never will go back to HDD. It's SSD's  for me all the way! Thanks to your helping... I understand alot more too.
 
I never thought a system could go so fast!:D
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Hi Muddy7 all System Optimizer does is clean out unneeded files like CCleaner and has nothing to do with SSD or affects them see here for more info: http://www.webroot.com/En_US/SecureAnywhere/PC/WSA_PC_Help.htm#C9_SystemOptimizer/CH9c_ChangingSystemOptimizerSettings.htm
 
HTH,
 
Daniel 😉
Yes. While not dealing more fully with my specific question, it provided me with an excellent general introduction to SSDs. Thank you. A new piece of information for me: I never knew that, as a general rule, SSDs last about twice as long as old style HDDs. I was so focussed on the memory deterioration issue that everyone talks about that I believed that SDDs lasted about half as long as HDDs.
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I have actually found that one needs to be very careful with the TRIM Command because in some cases it might look as if it is doing its job but in fact due to the disk drivers there is an issue...particularly in the cae of Marvell drivers.
 
Anyone interested please let me know and I will be pleased to share what I know....by private message of course or by a new thread in the Techie Forum...;)
 
Regards, Baldrick
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Well IMO I wouldn't use it persoanally and all you have to do is the TRIM check Command to make sure it's on and it must be running on AHCI mode in the BIOS. Tweek-SSD doesn't run all the time only when you open it.
 
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@ wrote:
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AHCI mode from the BIOS: https://www.google.ca/search?q=ahci+mode+youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=usP-VunIJMmHjwTp8ZGYDQ#q=ahci+mode+bios
 
 
Sorry, Daniel, I don't follow what you are alluding to re. this. WOuld yo ube able to clarify as I must be missing something important here. 

 
Cheers, Baldrick
Your system came with an HDD did you change in the BIOS from SATA to AHCI when you installed the SSD?
 
This is from 2012 but all newer have AHCI mode in the BIOS.
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/314467-30-bios-setting-ahci-mode
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Indeedy doody! ;)
 

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Then TRIM is active but I don't have details when it runs it's clean up routine also Samsung Drives and all newer ones have self cleaning built in the the drive as well. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/global/html/ssd850pro/specifications.html
 
Daniel ;)
 
 
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Muchas gracias, Maestro...some light bedtime reading matter, eh? ;)
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Muchas gracias, Maestro...some light bedtime reading matter, eh? ;)
Oui!
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I was referring to @'s comment. I know I don't understand SSD's and I would never claim I do lol!!
 @ can you please add your comments for @
 
About this comment: https://community.webroot.com/t5/Ideas-Exchange/idea-for-power-users-SSD-Optimizer/idi-p/70207#.UreKFtJDvdE
 
Thanks,
 
Daniel 😉
Thank you ?. I just happened to be looking again at this thread when I saw your answer pop up!
 
So in fact it was just a matter of an inadvertent mischoice of words!! That led me to question what was the right advice, given that Daniel was saying one thing and you apparently another. Now I know that my choice to recommend the Gamer Version of Webroot to my friends (see the very first post of this thread) still remains valid with those of my friends that use an SSD disk.
 
Thanks!
 
I have just one more question, and this I ask to Daniel. i've been led to believe that System Optimisation does little to speed up an SSD. I understood that it remains pretty much as speedy however cluttered it gets. I assume, from the fact that you apparently optimise your SSD regularly, that this is mistaken? Or do you do it more to save space?
And yes, Daniel, it's much clearer now. It was the apparent conflict of advice that was confusing me.
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Thank you @. I just happened to be looking again at this thread when I saw your answer pop up!
 
So in fact it was just a matter of an inadvertent mischoice of words!! That led me to question what was the right advice, given that Daniel was saying one thing and you apparently another. Now I know that my choice to recommend the Gamer Version of Webroot to my friends (see the very first post of this thread) still remains valid with those of my friends that use an SSD disk.
 
Thanks!
 
I have just one more question, and this I ask to Daniel. i've been led to believe that System Optimisation does little to speed up an SSD. I understood that it remains pretty much as speedy however cluttered it gets. I assume, from the fact that you apparently optimise your SSD regularly, that this is mistaken? Or do you do it more to save space?
Really I let Windows 10 take care of them and once or twice a month I will do a Manual TRIM clean up after using WSA's System Optimizer (Cleaner) and CCleaner.
 
Daniel 😉
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Here's another good video to show how important TRIM is set correctly!
 
 
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TripleHelix wrote
...using WSA's System Optimizer (Cleaner) and CCleaner.
 
Daniel ;)

To speed up the disk? Or just to save space?
@ see my edit in red!
 
Well for both but I always find it fast as all 5 of my Samsung SSD's have a built in Garbage remover! As to using the cleaners in WSA and CCleaner well that's to get space back as you know Windows keeps allot of unneeded files and needs to be cleaned up.
 

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